The Business Of Measurement Episodes
The business & financial side of the picture.
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June 25, 2025
Navigating SEO Measurement in the Age of AI: Insights from Mike King
Should you measure SEO by its ability to climb a tree? Hear Mike King's take on all things SEO - how AI is disrupting the space, and how measurement is (or should be) changing for this channel. Mike King is the founder and CEO of digital marketing agency iPullRank. King's journey from battle rapping with the Wu-Tang Clan to decoding Google's algorithms lays the foundation for a spirited discussion on the future of SEO, the impact of AI on search behavior, and innovative measurement techniques. Listen as we explore the shift from traditional click-based metrics to more complex, probabilistic methods driven by AI. Learn how SEO is adapting to changes in user behavior, including the rise of AI overviews and the challenges of measuring their impact. Plus, don't miss King's tips on leveraging advanced tools and strategies to stay ahead in the ever-changing SEO landscape.
Guest: Michael King
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Feb. 12, 2025
From MMM to AI: Jim & Simon's Big Bets for 2025
Big Bets for 2025: AI, Marketing Mix Modeling, and the Future of Retail MediaJoin Simon and Jim as they place their bets for 2025. Find out why Jim thinks MMM adoption is going to skyrocket, and why Simon is all in on retail media measurement.More importantly, find out why Simon's house was once listed on Google Maps as a Forever 21 location.
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Dec. 18, 2024
Behavioral Analytics & Rock Operas with Josh Silverbauer
Do you ever feel like your activities online are being watched? Well, it's probably because they are 🤣 Join Simon and Jim as they explore behavioral analytics with guest Josh Silverbauer. Josh explains the intricacies of tools like Microsoft Clarity, the comparison between marketing and behavioral analytics, and the potential future of AI-driven personalization. We also dive into Josh's unique contribution to the analytics community through his rock opera 'User Journey'.
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Sept. 18, 2024
Sept 21, 2024: Measuring Podcast Ads with Amelia Coomber @ Podscribe
Did you know that pre-roll podcast ads cost half as much and drive twice the ROI of mid-roll ads? That's just one of the many insights today's guest brings to the table. Listen in to understand the intricacies of podcast advertising with Amila Coomber, Head of Marketing & Growth at Podscribe. We explore everything from the technicalities of measuring podcast ad effectiveness, the evolution of podcast advertising, the role of pixel-based measurement, and the differences between host-read and d...
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Aug. 7, 2024
August 7, 2024: How to Measure & Maximize Paid Search | Navah Hopkins, Optmyzr
Navah Hopkins from Optmyzr joins us to discuss the challenges of modern PPC management and the outsized role measurement will plan in the future of AI-enabled campaigns like Performance Max.
Guest: Navah Hopkins
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April 24, 2024
April 24, 2024: Challenges of Marketing Measurement with Neil Hoyne, Chief Strategist @ Google
What are the biggest challenges facing marketers and analysts today? Is it privacy regulations? Technology changes? AI? In two words: unmet expectations. Neil Hoyne, Chief Strategist at Google, shares his insights into the evolution of marketing measurement given the current environment and challenges.
Guest: Neil Hoyne
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Nov. 29, 2023
Nov 29, 2023: How does Private Equity view Marketing Measurement? | Mark Fiske
Mark Fiske led the marketing teams at well-known brands like Ancestry and Credit Karma before going over to private equity, where he now advises on marketing and digital transformation for portfolio companies of H.I.G. Capital.

